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rickjthree |
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Sorry for posting, but I couldn't find an answer (or if there was even an answer) to the question: will there be some kind of 4th Ed update for Ptolus? I'm new to the love of Ptolus (thanks to a friend loaning me his copy), but I don't want to pony up for the core book if I'm just going to buy an updated version next summer.
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Pitchwife |
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There's almost no chance of a 4th Ed. revised book, given Monte's stance towards future gaming products in general, the history of the setting, etc... That said, I don't think we've actually heard that from the horse's mouth.
I suspect that Delver's Square will eventually host fan-submitted 4E conversions. Not that I'm dying to see these conversions, but I suspect some portion of the community will want it, soooo... *shrug* Take care, Pitchwife Delver's Square
2A1S-062402-060408-N-W-348/1000-M "[T]hat's why you're the Dungeon Master, and not the Dungeon Read-Out-Louder." - Monte Cook 2007 |
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Monte Cook |
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Here's what the horse's mouth says:
There will be no new Ptolus book converted to 4th edition or any other game system. Nor will there be a reprint, although we'll continue to offer the pdf. As to some sort of official conversion document or some such, it seems unlikely, but I suppose anything is possible. It would almost certainly be online only. |
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rickjthree |
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Thanks, Monte. I appreciate the quick answer. And let me add I'm totally blown away by Ptolus.
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Kadh2000 |
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I'm doing a Ptolus campaign as DM. I plan on converting to 4e (if it is any good) with NoD.
The best weapon against an enemy is another enemy. |
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Elorebaen |
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Ptolus is the reason I will be playing 3ed for the duration of my gaming life. I will most likely try out 4ed at some point, but it will be a different setting.
Best,
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Benoist Poire |
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It's impossible to say if 4E will fit Ptolus' feel. Maybe. There are elements saying to me it can (afterall, it's still dungeons, and dragons, adventuring, killing stuff and looting, et cetera), and yet others might make it not feel right (less reliance on magical items, differences in core classes and races, etc).
It's impossible to tell until we see the core books, I think. I kind of hope the conversion's possible. We'll see. Benoist Poire Iron Liege for the Iron League Seven Spires - Praemal Tales - Ballade of the Hanged Ptolus Code 0A2S-052508-061708-Y-W-33/1000-M |
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the kwp |
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Quote: I absolutely agree that it is impossible to tell until we see the books. I think it highly impractical to even evaluate if it is worth while to do until we see the new core books. Maybe 4th Edition will be as dynamic an innovation to D&D as 3E was when it came out. Then again, maybe I'll look at it like I did the change from AD&D to 2nd Edition, which did not strike me, overall, as a dramatic improvement. I suspect that even if I do eventually decide to convert my Ptolus game, it will be after the completion of Night of Dissolution. Given the frequency of play, and the rate of movement my group usually demonstrates, this will be well after the release of 4E. I remain very impressed with Ptolus as a campaign toolkit: the setting, history, factions, groups, maps, descriptions, etc. Much of it, especially the way the material is setup for creating your adventures, will translate regardless of the game mechanics you use. Just take a look at the number of people who use Ptolus as a setting for Arcana Evolved games. However, the farther away from the base setting one takes it, the more work required to get the mechanics in place for play. I cannot evaluate if that work is worth effort, or if the change in mechanics justifies the work, until I have seen and played with the new system for a bit. Eventually, the flavor of the base mechanics and the flavor of the setting do have issues working together. I might conceive of running Ptolus using GURPS, for example, but it would certainly change the experience of my players in the city a lot. If it is justified at all to make the switch from 3.5 to 4E, I suspect I will find it easier on the upper half of the d20 level range. The adventures material outlined pg 589 for levels 10 and above seem to me to be the most "tool kit"-ish of the adventure material - the material I would most likely do my own extensive development work on anyway to fit to my group and campaign. Reworking that material to fit a different core mechanic will obviously take more work, but it may only be a relatively small or reasonable fraction of the work required to get it ready for my campaign anyway. In the meantime, I feel comfortable knowing that I have a campaign that I enjoy running and that my players enjoy playing in, and that we will be quiet happy to continue on with as is for a long while to come yet. |
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jasonbostwick |
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Quote: Chalk me up as another DM doing this - if the pace of my current gaming group stays up, we will have finished NoD by the end of the winter semester. I'll have all summer to do any conversions to 4e, so we can pick up again in the fall. |
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Monte Cook |
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Quote: I think that's a correct assessment, and it's entirely intentional. I think it's the best way to handle high level stuff, which should be primarily based off your specific campaign and PCs, not entirely fit to a script. So the high level stuff is more just locations and foes, with you deciding how the PCs get there, when, and why. |
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Benoist Poire |
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Too bad we never had a thorough examination of high-level play in 3.5 done in a "how to", DMG manner. I wanted an entire supplement about that. I guess it won't be happening now that 4E's around the corner.
Benoist Poire Iron Liege for the Iron League Seven Spires - Praemal Tales - Ballade of the Hanged Ptolus Code 0A2S-052508-061708-Y-W-33/1000-M |
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Whizbang Dustyboots |
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Well, we got the ELH, but I don't think anyone was really thrilled with that book overall (although it had a few really great monsters). It sounds like 4E will actually be more high-level-friendly than 3E was, and I'm looking forward to adventures up on the spire when my campaign reaches those levels.
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Benoist Poire |
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I was most definitely not talking about an ELH-style book. In fact, I think that in this regard, the ELH is a COMPLETE failure.
What I was talking about is a DMG "how to" book specific to High level gameplay. How to make it work specifically for your group, deep analysis of group and power configurations and how to handle each of those, what type of plot devices will work and what type won't work and why, what spells and abilities to be weary off, how to handle high level treasures, build high level encounters, mooks, BBEGs... and so on, so forth. Not so much additional crunch as a deep analysis of the existing crunch as it relates to the game itself, and how to break it down for the DM to be able to make his own high level adventures/campaigns. That kind of book. Benoist Poire Iron Liege for the Iron League Seven Spires - Praemal Tales - Ballade of the Hanged Ptolus Code 0A2S-052508-061708-Y-W-33/1000-M |
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Yep, that would be a very useful book
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Porthosd |
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New guy here. I've been running a game in Ptolus since September of '06 and my players love it. We've been discussing what to do with the advent
of 4E and it is the consensus of our group to keep running a 3.5 game. We all like the system and barring just an absolute brilliant revamp with 4E (and an
equally brilliant conversion system), I don't plan to change over, at least where Ptolus is concerned. We've finished up NoD and have done some
homebrewed adventures mixed with the Banewarrens and as the PCs begin to fully flesh themselves out and become invested in being citizens of Ptolus itself,
more storyline opportunities are constantly popping up (some proposed by my players and some of my own creation). I can run a 3.5 game in Ptolus for years to
come and who knows, when D&D 5.0 raises its ugly head on down the road, we could still be playing in Ptolus!
John |
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