Which is the worst, most sinful, most evil of the seven deadly sins?
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Posts: 706 (06/19/09 15:51:39) Shadowy |
Which is the worst of the seven deadly sins? (Result) |
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Mr Fletch |
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Posts: 707 (06/19/09 15:53:29) Shadowy |
Wrath. Wrath has the worst effect on others. When mixed with the other sins it adds a terrible edge to an already bad problem. Wrath
and Lust, Wrath and Greed, Wrath and Envy, for instance.
I know I don't believe or at least I believe I don't believe, you know? - Dr. Faust, Wittenberg
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Eldric IV |
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Posts: 10261 (06/19/09 21:04:27) Resident Paladin |
Pride. It was the original sin and it is the sin upon which all others rest.
**Final Words, before the battle with Demogorgon: My life does not matter. It was given to me to better the lives of my people. Please give the Pureblade to my
son so that he may finish what I start here today.**
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Confused Jackal Mage |
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Posts: 6746 (06/20/09 07:27:29) Iron Liege |
Incorrect. The original sin was Trust, as yet untempered by Scepticism. The Christian creation story relies intrinsically on two individuals who were mentally
children being tricked by a devious individual who preys on their naivete.
Back on topic, wrath. I'm gonna agree with Fletch. By itself it's not overly bad (I'd actually put Sloth or Gluttony as worse by themselves), but it combines so well with everything else.
Imagine the culture we would live in now if, instead of a dead corpse on an instrument of torture, our signifier was a child staring in wonder at the
stars.
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ozedge |
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Posts: 354 (06/20/09 10:37:49) What's going on? |
i had to go with greed on this one
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Eldric IV |
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Posts: 10262 (06/20/09 22:03:47) Resident Paladin |
You are not going back far enough, CJM. The original sin predates humanity.
**Final Words, before the battle with Demogorgon: My life does not matter. It was given to me to better the lives of my people. Please give the Pureblade to my
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madfox |
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Posts: 6946 (06/21/09 23:55:54) That's a lot of posts. |
Greed and wrath seem to me to be the two worst sins. Both tend to have an insidious effect on others while the other sins tend to have much less harmful
effects, and any such influence is mostly indirect at that. Wrath and greed have lead to some pretty bad things in the world from airplanes crashing to suicide
bombings to some of the bigger environmental scandals. If I have to pick one though I go for wrath. It has a tendency to feed itself (wrath creates wrath) and
due its violence is a much more pressing problem. Greed is easier to channel - just make it more profitable to do the right thing.
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Cthon |
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Posts: 7063 (06/23/09 15:39:49) No need for labels, right? |
Pride for me, since feelings of infallibility and superiority have led to many of the worst atrocities known in world history. I would put greed as a close
second.
Wrath, of course, is immediately harmful, but wars and such tend to depend on Greed or Pride. And, to Eldric and CJM, neither of you are right: for the many non-Abrahamistic folks, there is no original sin.
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Confused Jackal Mage |
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Posts: 6747 (06/28/09 10:50:47) Iron Liege |
@Cthon: Sorry, I assumed it was implied that I was speaking only within the context of the Abrahamic faiths. I did refer directly to Christianity in my post.
Within that context, there *is* an original sin.
@Eld: Satan's Fall, while the cause of humanity's Fall, is not the *source* of their Original Sin, which instead comes from them eating from the Tree. Had Satan never tricked humanity, there would have been no sin at all among humans.
Imagine the culture we would live in now if, instead of a dead corpse on an instrument of torture, our signifier was a child staring in wonder at the
stars.
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Eldric IV |
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Posts: 10270 (06/28/09 12:47:11) Resident Paladin |
You are confusing my reference to "the original sin" with the doctrine of Original Sin. Pride is the source of the original (or first) sin, the fall
of Satan, which was the very first act by a creation against the will of the Creator.
**Final Words, before the battle with Demogorgon: My life does not matter. It was given to me to better the lives of my people. Please give the Pureblade to my
son so that he may finish what I start here today.**
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PaladinTodd |
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Posts: 845 (07/01/09 12:52:46) Just showed up |
Pride, as Elric says, since it's part of Envy, Greed, Wrath, and Lust.
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madfox |
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Posts: 6960 (07/02/09 03:57:44) That's a lot of posts. |
What do you mean that pride is part of the other sins? Pride blinds a person to his other sins, but in my mind they are distinct. You can quite easily have one
without the other. I am curious though whether many of the bad things people did out of so-called feeling of superiority really were the cause of pride, or
pride was just used to blind their true motives of greed or wrath. Then again, humans are a lot more complicated then the 7 sins*.
The only sin I find a bit odd is lust, since lust in a way is a specific application of gluttony. * Although to be honest, the 'alignment'-system of the new Storytell system which is based on the 7 sins and 7 virtues does work rather well. |
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Mr Fletch |
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Posts: 711 (07/02/09 07:50:43) Shadowy |
Lust seems to be to be a sort of combination of gluttony (in terms of wanting something to such an extent that you cannot be sated) and
Greed (wanting to possess something.) Lust has the aspects of the both the physical pleasure (or simulation there of) and mental detachment or selfishness.
Hmm... I know I started these threads, but I think now I want to d more research on the origins of the 7 Deadly Sins. why these seven, some of which do seem
to overlap.
thanks for all the feedback on these three threads. I'm finding it thought provoking.
I know I don't believe or at least I believe I don't believe, you know? - Dr. Faust, Wittenberg
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Cthon |
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Posts: 7067 (07/03/09 05:15:56) No need for labels, right? |
I have a hard time with Lust, since it is rooted in a Biblical idea that certain types of non-harmful, consensual actions are wrong.
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madfox |
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Posts: 6968 (07/06/09 01:01:11) That's a lot of posts. |
I am not sure when you keep it non-harmful and consensual it is considered lust persee. I feel that lust can definitely cause a lot of harm even if society
would not frown on such behaviour. The question for me is whether it is lust, or simply glutony or wrath taken to an extreme...
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arnoldnido |
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Posts: 2309 (07/11/09 15:52:14) "Monte Hates Me" |
Sloth.
You don't even get to the others if you deal with Sloth.
Reducing the IQ of OYT since 2002.
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