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Grimelark	Questions about demons	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1 (06/01/09 12:40:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Ok just one to start off, but I thought I would make it a broad stroke so if there are others it can be better contained. So I'm a demon, I get thrown off a cliff, I can change my shape (it's super cool) Now the DM states that the rules state I can't fly, I'm not sure about that as most of what I read stated that I had to be kinda humanoid, but my question is if I can't fly can I at least glide? Could there be a flying skill involved? As well a mer man would almost assuradly move faster in water... I know, it turns into a serious headach when you start throwing all that out there, but you sort of built that nightmare. Thanks, Danny: a 9 year old demon trading candy bars for souls on the play ground.
Ampherion		#1	[-]
Posts: 1911 (06/01/09 14:16:09) Shadowy Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Im no rules lawyer, or an expert, but I think gliding is a class of flying. I haven't seen a flying skill...but I wasn't looking. 1A1S-060412-060806-N-W-523/1000-MX
Eldric IV		#2	[-]
Posts: 10242 (06/01/09 22:01:20) Resident Paladin Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The shapechange ability specifies that changes are only cosmetic and do not confer any special powers of the chosen form. The example given is changing into Dracula and not gaining vampire powers but you can read it that alternate modes of movement (flying/gliding, swimming, climbing) are also not given. Final Words, before the battle with Demogorgon: My life does not matter. It was given to me to better the lives of my people. Please give the Pureblade to my son so that he may finish what I start here today.
Grimelark		#3	[-]
Posts: 2 (06/02/09 06:10:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I understand that but it also states that little green men is a humanoid form. So the exotic is well within the parameters. As that looks to be true, how about webbed feet and hands? Frogman ala scooby doo looks to be about the same outside shot as a little green man, but the webbing would definitely allow a better manueverability in the water. Meh it doesn't matter all that much, it depends on what your DM considers cosmetic I would guess, I'm not really sure why a demon is even restricted by that, seems a bit arbitrary since he's really just a walking, talking vat of staypuff marshmallow creme or whatever. Thanks for the answers. Here's another one, how many free actions can you take in one round? This goes into effect when your trying instananeous cants, gnossis and such, they are instant but since they seem to require a free action it's hard to figure out how you can use multiple anima in one round, or is that just for racial feets that actually need more than one point to use?
seankreynolds		#4	[-]
Posts: 2369 (06/02/09 09:40:17) Archangel Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Are you asking about MCWOD?
Grimelark		#5	[-]
Posts: 3 (06/02/09 10:58:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes I am, I may have things wrong we may be bringing things into the game from other games, we might just as people have sniffed a little to much glue. But thanks for answering any questions you feel relavent.
seankreynolds		#6	[-]
Posts: 2370 (06/02/09 20:14:32) Archangel Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It's easier if you just assume the form is humanoid and that the change doesn't provide any additional benefits. Now, if you wanted their shapechanging to have additional benefits by learning a feat or cant....
fireinthedust		#7	[-]
Posts: 46 (07/14/09 07:14:57) What's going on? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ooooh, oooh, I have a question! what's the difference between them in this game an in previous games? I didn't know there was a demon game (well, I'd heard, but I'm more familiar with the name Wraith than Demon). I noticed the Vampire concept change was significant (ghosts. weird, and not my thing, but a good re-thinking of the concept at least, fwiw). Is it that significant for these guys? And would it be possible to do an Angel using them? Like, based on heals and buffs for party members. Also: what about class changes, to other d20 classes? For Demons, and for other PCs, would I treat them as level 4 or level 1, for ECL questions?
seankreynolds		#8	[-]
Posts: 2385 (07/14/09 10:48:22) Archangel Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I only skimmed WW's demon book for ideas about powers and such, as the demons in MCWOD aren't fallen angels, they're... weird. I don't know what you mean by "is that significant," but you probably wouldn't get more insight into MCWOD demons by reading other WW demon books. I suppose you could do "angels" using the basic demon info, though you'd have to tweak it a lot. When using materials from other sources, always look to the MCWOD character's hit dice to determine their level.

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