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Caedrel	Fast Healing in 3.5	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1254 (02/05/09 18:12:47) Cryptic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Quick question - does fast healing still take place if a creature with that attribute goes into negative hit points but isn't actually dead (-1 to -9)? If so, does that mean that they automatically stabilise and eventually gain consciousness (hp 0+) again? (assuming no other external factors that keep on causing hit point loss, of course - like an enemy coup de gracing them, for example... ) I think I'm pretty safe assuming that if a creature reaches -10, its fast healing stops working...
Cthon		#1	[-]
Posts: 6668 (02/05/09 18:20:47) No need for labels, right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes, fast healing works exactly like you think. It works until just before -10 hp, but at -10, the creature dies. It also means automatic stabilization because healing takes place, and automatic consciousness at zero hp. From the SRD: " If any sort of healing cures the dying character of even 1 point of damage, he stops losing hit points and becomes stable. Healing that raises the dying character's hit points to 0 makes him conscious and disabled. Healing that raises his hit points to 1 or more makes him fully functional again, just as if he'd never been reduced to 0 or lower. A spellcaster retains the spellcasting capability she had before dropping below 0 hit points. " _______________________ bored with changing signatures
Caedrel		#2	[-]
Posts: 1255 (02/05/09 18:37:23) Cryptic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks! I think I mgiht have been getting it confused because of vampire, who has fast healing that stops when it hits 0 hit points... thinking a bit about it, that's probably because it's undead, which are normally destroyed at 0 hit points and don't have that negative hit point cushion, yeah?
Cthon		#3	[-]
Posts: 6669 (02/06/09 03:03:06) No need for labels, right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Correct--same thing for constructs. _______________________ bored with changing signatures
Tiburon Silverflame		#4	[-]
Posts: 7773 (02/09/09 14:25:09) Enigma Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It's not so much that it's undead, because most undead can be destroyed through normal means. I think that wasn't enough for the Victorians, so Stoker said...nope, gotta do something really special. Note that many fictional ghosts or spirits have that aspect as well...they can be kept away for a time, but they can't be put to final rest without the achievement of a particular task related to the life (or, more likely, death) of the original mortal. The fast healing stops (as much as anything) because without it...you'd practically NEVER be able to take a vampire out. Even if you knew where its coffin was, you'd have 2, 3 minutes to reach it, or it'd be right back at full strength. Brutal.
VoodooMike.nasgulsoftware		#5	[-]
Posts: 1 (03/19/09 01:21:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	How sure are we that Fast Healing works as Cthon stated? Fast Healing is stated to work just like normal healing, but more rapidly - x points per round rather than level points per rest. While any healing will stabilize a dying creature it should be noted that normal healing does NOT function when someone is dying. Until that person is stabilized they do not regain hitpoints naturally, which suggests that fast healing only functions down to and including 0 hit points, but not at -1 or below until the creature stabilizes.
Cthon		#6	[-]
Posts: 6818 (03/19/09 01:51:40) No need for labels, right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It's not that natural healing doesn't function when someone is dying--it's that the time frame for natural healing is simply too short to come into play. The description of dying doesn't say, "Natural healing doesn't take place." More importantly, the description of dying doesn't say that it negates fast healing, and the description of fast healing doesn't specify that it stops at 0 hit points. The description of fast says that it works at the beginning of a creature's turn, and then lists the few situations where it does not add additional healing. From the SRD: " A creature with fast healing has the extraordinary ability to regain hit points at an exceptional rate. Except for what is noted here, fast healing is like natural healing. At the beginning of each of the creature's turns, it heals a certain number of hit points (defined in its description). Unlike regeneration, fast healing does not allow a creature to regrow or reattach lost body parts. Unless otherwise stated, it does not allow lost body parts to be reattached. A creature that has taken both nonlethal and lethal damage heals the nonlethal damage first. Fast healing does not restore hit points lost from starvation, thirst, or suffocation. Fast healing does not increase the number of hit points regained when a creature polymorphs." _______________________ bored with changing signatures
Tiburon Silverflame		#7	[-]
Posts: 7911 (03/19/09 08:10:30) Enigma Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Cthon, I think you meant to say that normally, the rate for natural healing is too slow for it to become a factor. But that's not true. SRD, Injury and Death, Stable Characters and Recovery section: Recovering without Help A severely wounded character left alone usually dies. He has a small chance, however, of recovering on his own. A character who becomes stable on his own (by making the 10% roll while dying) and who has no one to tend to him still loses hit points, just at a slower rate. He has a 10% chance each hour of becoming conscious. Each time he misses his hourly roll to become conscious, he loses 1 hit point. He also does not recover hit points through natural healing. Even once he becomes conscious and is disabled, an unaided character still does not recover hit points naturally. Instead, each day he has a 10% chance to start recovering hit points naturally (starting with that day); otherwise, he loses 1 hit point. Once an unaided character starts recovering hit points naturally, he is no longer in danger of naturally losing hit points (even if his current hit point total is negative). If he's not regaining hit points through natural healing during this more long-term stabilization period, when he's made some small steps towards recovery, why would he regain hit points before that?
Cthon		#8	[-]
Posts: 6821 (03/19/09 10:53:27) No need for labels, right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Gah! I never thought of the situation that way. Well then, RAW says fast healing stops if a character is stable or disabled, because it is "natural healing". I never played it that way in my 3e games. RAW does not say, however, that fast healing stops when a PC is dying. Could a dying PC stabilize through fast healing, and then the fast healing stops? _______________________ bored with changing signatures
Manofdusk		#9	[-]
Posts: 1671 (03/19/09 22:11:27) Cryptic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, mased on that statement, I believe a lot of people were playing Fast Healing wrong :P This does, though, make things more interesting :P It seems then, that Fast Healing stops when he's reduced to dying, since it functions like natural healing. There are some things in this world that are better left unknown. - Darkstar
Buburubu		#10	[-]
Posts: 1 (06/02/09 22:42:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Apologies if this is somewhat off topic, but does anybody on here know a way to get Fast Healing as a constant character ability? The closest I found was using the Pheonix Belt soulmeld in Magic Of Incarnum, which lets a character convert resisted fire damage into fast healing rounds. I'm thinking there must be some obscure feat or prestige class in some sourcebook somewhere, but I haven't found it.
Amphetryon		#11	[-]
Posts: 3097 (06/03/09 03:31:46) Mysterious Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Fast Healing Spoiler [+] Fast Healing via Classes Warshaper 4, ecl 8 (CW) Nature's Warrior 1 (CW), Wild Growth ability Soldier of Light (D&D) 7th Wild Reaper 16th (DrMg 311) Saingehirn 5th (WoTC Mind's Eye) Ranger 9, Shifter racial substitution level (+Con trait), Races of Eberron Scion of Tem-Et-Nu 3, ecl 8, Sandstorm, fast healing 5 only when you begin your turn in or adjacent to river Dragon Shaman, fast healing aura, PHB 2, affects allies Incandescent Champion 2, ecl 8, Magic of Incarnum - very limited, but can share it with allies at level 9 Celestial Mystic 10, ecl 17, Book of Exalted Deeds, fast healing 2 to all within 10' Master of Many Forms 7, ecl 12, Complete Adventurer - turn into any creature that has fast healing as an (Ex) ability Soldier of Light 7, ecl 12, Deities and Demigods Eldritch Theurge 2, ecl 8, complete Mage - limited duration, see text Argent Fist 10, ecl 15, Faiths of Eberron - variable effect, limited duration, see text Sanctified One (Elhonna) 1 or 3 or 5/5, ecl 6, Complete Champion, fast healing 5 for 10 rounds, once per day Dragon Prophet 5, ecl 10, Magic of Eberron, see text Wildrunner 10, ecl 15, Races of the Wild, limited duration Templates Half-Troll +4 LA (Fiend Folio) Saint +2 LA (BoED) Feral +1 LA (SS) Anarchic +5 LA (Planar HB, at 4+ HD) Shadow +2 LA (Lords of Madness) Half-Vampire +2 LA (LM), up to half full normal hit points Evolved Undead +1 LA (LM) Vivacious +5 LA (Planar HB) Radiant +3 LA (Dragon #321) (when exposed to any light source) Curst +3 LA (LEoF) Greenbound +5 LA (LEoF) Dry Lich (Walker in the Waste 10, PrC Sandstorm) Unholy Scion +5 (Heroes of Horror), fast healing 4 Race Mul +1 LA (Dragon #319, at 10th+ level) Feats Combat Vigor, feat, Player's Handbook II Sacred Healing, ecl 5, divine feat, Complete Warrior - all allies within 60' burst Touchstone (Womb of Kikanuti), feat, Sandstorm, long duration but limited use Troll-blooded (Dragon 319), Regen 1 Dragonmark Rage, feat, Eberron: Dragonmarked - see text Brand of Nine Hells (Glasya), feat, ecl?, Fiendish Codex II, fast healing 3 for 10 minutes 1/day, see text Devil's Stamina, feat, Fiendish Codex II, variable 1/day, see text Healing Devotion, domain feat, Complete Champion, fast healing 1, see text Other Phoenix Belt, soulmeld, Magic of Incarnum, see text Buer, vestige, ecl 7, Tome of Magic Healing Blood, Silthilar Graft, Lords of Madness Millenium Chainmail, armor, Complete Divine persistent Mass Lesser Vigor spell Dragon Mantle, soulmeld, Dragon Magic, up to half full normal hit point Druid (Spontaneous Rejuvenation variant), PHB 2, see text Rapid Regeneration, feat, Fiendish Codex II, improves regeneration by 1, see text Paragnostic Apostle 1, ecl 4?, Complete Champion, summoned creatures have fast healing, see text Personal isn't the same as important. -Terry Pratchett
Cthon		#12	[-]
Posts: 7031 (06/03/09 04:19:17) No need for labels, right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Warlock, limited duration _______________________ bored with changing signatures
SolissVL		#13	[-]
Posts: 714 (06/03/09 18:53:40) Minimum 1 pt, right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Raises hand Just played fast healing wrong. lol Ah well, the party liked the fact the Jovok was down...and then it popped up and was right back causing trouble. lol -8 modifier to crunch-fu
Tiburon Silverflame		#14	[-]
Posts: 8172 (06/05/09 07:31:13) Enigma Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Fast Healing is also an epic feat. For an item, I'd also suggest letting the ring of regeneration give Fast Healing 1, rather than 1 hp per hour. I mean, it's 90,000 gp, and let's face it, the "regrow limbs" is not likely to be needed. There is no attack now, that can remove a limb.
NIVEUS X		#15	[-]
Posts: 209 (06/08/09 09:39:20) Spending some time Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	would the ring of regeneration also convert lethal damage to subdual damage like the spell? ~NIV~
Cthon		#16	[-]
Posts: 7038 (06/08/09 13:04:12) No need for labels, right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The ring's description never says it actually grants the regeneration ability. _______________________ bored with changing signatures

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