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1hitparry	Berserk Cleave Improved Critical Build	Lead	[-]
Posts: 8 (01/01/08 15:06:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : berserker, build I'm not really sure how kindly you folks take to character optimization, but I figured I might as well see what people though of my build. I took a look at some other builds and they all seem to incorporate the Power Attack tree. Personally, I'm not very impressed by the power attack tree (other than base mastery and expanded mastery 4), so I chose to focus on Cleave and Improved Critical. Traits Still deciding Weapon: Dunno yet Level 1: Cleave, Power Attack Level 2: Improved Bull Rush Level 4: Armor Mastery (Might add to "Religion is my armor" flavor) Level 6: Cleave 3 Level 8: Cleave 4 or Improved Critical (Whatever I use) Level 10: Whatever I didn't take at level 8 Level 12: Open Level 14: Improved Critical 6 Level 16: Improved Critical 8 Level 18: Cleave 9 Level 20: Open Made some changes, mostly I wanted to put my ideas down an squint at it for a while. I changed the idea of my character from a bloodthirsty manifestation of destruction I guess a kind of religious templar like character/cleric. I figure the Berserker abilities could be drawn from religious fervor or something similar to that. That said, I'm trying to think, if I were a Medieval Crusader, what feats would I take? I do not have access to the Player's Companion, which is unfortunate because it seems to have a lot of cool stuff. Last Edited By: 1hitparry 01/04/08 15:57:37. Edited 8 times.
crowroadaw		#1	[-]
Posts: 1404 (01/01/08 17:51:24) Iron Hero Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You only get two traits. No more than one of which can be a background trait. At 2nd level, consider any of Quick Draw, Weapon Focus (Greatsword) and Improved Bull Rush. You can't get Improved Overrun - it's mastery 3. If you're planning to milk crits for cleaves, consider using a falchion rather than a greatsword. It drops your average damage by 2 (or by 3.5 if you keep mighty build as one of your traits), but at low levels you'll be one-shotting a lot of enemies anyway and at high levels the 10% extra chance of a critical threat might be worth the reduced base damage. Author of Iron Heroes and d20 Stuff Maintainer of the Iron Heroes Errata and FAQ Supporter of kiva.org
1hitparry		#2	[-]
Posts: 9 (01/01/08 21:17:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Oh ha ha, I completely misread the traits section. I feel dumb now. Thanks for catching that, though. Obviously I'm very new to this game, so I appreciate the help. I had the same exact thoughts about great sword versus falchion. I think I will keep the Mighty Build and Strong traits, so I will probably be better off with the falchion. That also means I don't really have to take Cleave 8, freeing up a feat later on. As for that feat at second level, Quick Draw or Weapon Focus seem like picks that would match my style. I'd have to decide on that later. Thanks again for the input. Small question, though. I tried finding a chart for unusually sized weapons and I couldn't find it in the PHB. Do I just use the same chart as the one for armor? Or did I just miss it. Thanks in advance. Last Edited By: 1hitparry 01/01/08 21:25:04. Edited 2 times.
Confused Jackal Mage		#3	[-]
Posts: 5775 (01/02/08 07:11:25) Iron Liege Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It should be on p160 (may be slightly different in the Revised edition). However, it's been erratad to work the same way as in D&D, which you can find here. "Observer-dependent physics undermines the gods' decision 3000 years ago to ban cats from straddling the borders of the netherworld. We won't have it!" "I have reservations about reconciling a quantum mechanics thought experiment with egyptian mythology." "Djinn and Juice", Dresden Codak
ValhallaGH		#4	[-]
Posts: 1112 (01/02/08 07:15:12) Cryptic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The chart for weapon sizes is on page 160 of the Iron Heroes revised book. I find this build incredibly boring and dull, a berserker that simply smacks things with his falchion, hoping to get to hit them frequently. It seems to completely miss the style and flavor of Iron Heroes. But that's a personal opinion, and completely unasked for, so feel free to ignore that part. If I so felt like it, I could allow players to be a 1st level Fighter with 10 feats, 3000 hit points, TWF with 20 foot long Greatswords that have a reach and threatened area of 4 squares in every direction. -- igavskoga I often come across as a jerk. I don't mean to but it happens any way. Try not to take offense.
1hitparry		#5	[-]
Posts: 10 (01/02/08 08:18:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I apparently can't read. I was looking for cost and weight information and lo and behold it was under the cost and weight headers. Thanks. And yeah, I guess when you look at it, this build is kind of boring and dull. Berserk abilities breath a little life into it, but in the end it's still based around striking. I guess it's a habit from Greyhawk. Maybe I'll try to come up with something with a little more flair. Once again, I just want to say thanks for the help and not getting angry at my inability to look up stuff.
raleel	suggestions to liven it up a bit	#6	[-]
Posts: 3637 (01/02/08 10:33:23) Mysterious Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, here's some things you could do to make it a little more flavorful. 1) you don't need cleave 2 or cleave 8 particularly. your biggies are 1, 3, and 4. Cleave 6 is nice, but I'll be honest, I've yet to see a zerker at that level ever be dry for tokens. So, there are 3 feats you can drop with little impact on the core of the character. 2) improved critical 6 is completely not necessary with a 12-20 threat weapon. It's more for axes. There are 4 feats total that free you up for some flavor 3) My personal preferences here, but I detest mighty build. I also don't think you really need strong, as there is a good chance you'll have zerker strength and possibly blind rage. So, here we are with a guy who has a schtick. He needs some flavor... In my mind, when I think of a falchion, I always think of those arabian nights eunuch guards. We don't need to make him a eunuch, but an arabian themed berserker might be fun. So where does that lead? 1) desert born might be fun, but I think it's a little weak, and camel's tenacity almost duplicates a zerker ability. Slave might be fun (house slave comes to mind), but also reaver might be good too. Vengeful is a good one for zerkers. child of faith might give you that whole holy warrior thing. Prodigy might be good to help you out with some flexibility in masteries. 2) as for feats, wall of steel 2 would be very amusing with a bare skinned berserker. not really effective against swords, but really quite decent against most everything else. Juggeraunt 2 would be good as well. getting combat reflexes might be fun too.
Confused Jackal Mage		#7	[-]
Posts: 5779 (01/02/08 19:26:27) Iron Liege Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Raleel, I really have no idea what you mean by saying that IC6 is for axes. It gives you a bonus to the confirmation roll, not the original attack roll. The confirmation roll has nothing to do with the threat range of the weapon. "Observer-dependent physics undermines the gods' decision 3000 years ago to ban cats from straddling the borders of the netherworld. We won't have it!" "I have reservations about reconciling a quantum mechanics thought experiment with egyptian mythology." "Djinn and Juice", Dresden Codak
1hitparry		#8	[-]
Posts: 11 (01/02/08 20:14:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	By the way, as of present, I do not have access to the Player's Companion, as no one in my campaign has a copy yet. : ( Still looking at feats and trying to decide what I like flavor wise.
raleel		#9	[-]
Posts: 3638 (01/02/08 21:10:28) Mysterious Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	alright, CJM, I'm on crack I admit I have a problem!!!
1hitparry		#10	[-]
Posts: 12 (01/04/08 09:48:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Change in flavor. Still playing around with feats.
1hitparry		#11	[-]
Posts: 23 (03/02/08 16:06:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Does Berserker Strength stack or overlap with Blind Rage?
ValhallaGH		#12	[-]
Posts: 1140 (03/02/08 16:55:16) Cryptic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Stacks with. Which really sucks for allies that don't get out of range during a Blind Rage. If I so felt like it, I could allow players to be a 1st level Fighter with 10 feats, 3000 hit points, TWF with 20 foot long Greatswords that have a reach and threatened area of 4 squares in every direction. -- igavskoga I often come across as a jerk. I don't mean to but it happens any way. Try not to take offense.

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