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ericjr77	Astral constructs: SRD vs Complete Psionics	Lead	[-]
Posts: 2415 (12/05/07 11:55:06) Mysterious Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None One of my players wants to play a shaper (new territory for our group). He mentions that he wants to use the CP version of astral constructs. I've only got the SRD, but did find a web preview of Anathemic Carapace at: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060403a&page=5 My questions: 1) Are CP's Basic Astral Constructs are the same as described in the SRD? 2) Do the other CP variants work the same way as the Anathemic Carapace? Pay a feat, your constructs get an upgrade? 3) Can a single construct have multiple variants? Or is each type distinct? (Anathemic Carapace + Ebony Stinger + Whatever). 4) He also wants to use Ectopic Adept from EPH, and mentioned that it has abilities analagous to Augment Summons. Once again, I haven't had a chance to consult that book. How tough are these constructs going to end up if all this stuff stacks together? 5) He also mentioned taking a level or two of Psionic Warrior, Practiced Manifester, and requested a custom prestige class that works just like Eldritch Knight. The final build (ECL 13) would look something like Psionic Warrior 1, Shaper 5, Ectopic Adept 5, Psionic Knight 2 -- so ML 13 with 6th level shaper powers. So putting all this together, should I be concerned? Crepuscular amphisbaena?
Antendren		#1	[-]
Posts: 154 (12/05/07 13:08:47) What's going on? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	CP doesn't redefine the basic astral construct. Instead, it introduces a few variants you can access through feats. Important to note is that each variant replaces the standard menu choices. 1) CP doesn't have a basic astral construct. Use the XPH/SRD to get BAB, HD, etc. 2) Yes and no. Pay a feat, you get a new variant. Variants are not upgrades, however. In general, they're weaker. 3) Each type is distinct; they're not layerable. 4) Ectopic Adept really isn't that good. I wouldn't worry. 5) I count access to level 5 powers. But no, I wouldn't be particularly concerned.
ericjr77		#2	[-]
Posts: 2418 (12/06/07 12:14:33) Mysterious Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks! Crepuscular amphisbaena?
Xhyll		#3	[-]
Posts: 359 (12/06/07 18:29:48) Minimum 1 pt, right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The other thing the CP astral construct does is limit the number of astral constructs you can have at a time (to one, two with a PrC). The book also does a few other things to current powers (like halving the power of Hostile Empathic Transfer). The Journal of Xanatos Valarian: The Grey Elf Warblade, Tactician, Fugitive, and possibly werewolf.
halcyon13		#4	[-]
Posts: 244 (02/03/08 14:37:48) Just showed up Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Xhyll wrote: The other thing the CP astral construct does is limit the number of astral constructs you can have at a time (to one, two with a PrC). . . Which I have no problem whatsoever ignoring. Arcane magic can get off multiple summoned creatures with one spell. Even more with additional castings (possibly in the same round with the right feats). Why limit psionic to just one when they would still have to spend the power points to do it and don't gain the free scaling that arcane magic does?
Amaril		#5	[-]
Posts: 170 (02/07/08 04:03:17) Spooky Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I actually added the same rule to summoners and restricted the summoning to one creature. I like how it affects game play at the table. I've had players depend so heavily on summoned creatures that their turn breaks the attention of the other players as they wait for that player to finish. Even he conceded that it was somewhat ridiculous and annoying for the others. He was also disappointed by the astral construct rewrite, but when I addressed this same point and resolution for arcane characters, he readily agreed.
Gyftomancer		#6	[-]
Posts: 5 (04/25/09 18:16:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	halcyon13 wrote: Xhyll wrote: The other thing the CP astral construct does is limit the number of astral constructs you can have at a time (to one, two with a PrC). . . Which I have no problem whatsoever ignoring. Arcane magic can get off multiple summoned creatures with one spell. Even more with additional castings (possibly in the same round with the right feats). Why limit psionic to just one when they would still have to spend the power points to do it and don't gain the free scaling that arcane magic does? Because the astral construct is much much much much more powerfull than the other summoned creatures of the other summoned spells and especially the arcane summons! In generale i belive that the summon AC power is more poewrfull that the other summon spells of the other classes. After all sometimes its a wast of resources to cast multiple summons in a battle. One is enough (maybe 2 or 3 if you are a druid but again you waste your slots and at the end of the combat you will have a few summoned animals wandering around). The AC becomes even better if the DM doesnt pay attention that it has no intelligence. And dont forget that AC is a construct....... I hate it!

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