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Irda Ranger	Dragonborn	Lead	[-]
Posts: 765 (11/26/07 11:25:44) Unknown Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : dragonborn, races classes So ... Races & Classes, eh? Dragonborn. Yep. Looks like some kind of muscley lizardman type. They probably get bite attacks. No actual rules to discuss though, of course. Any thoughts? I believe one of the WotC folks said that the "mystery race" (back when they were called that) would make good clerics. Which I guess someone has to, right? Personally I like the concept. I can call them Lizardmen, or Draconians, or Drakons, or whatever suits my fancy. Probably not "Mohj" though. They seem, eh, physically powerful. Unless the fluff in Races & Classes is really inspiring though, I'll probably ignore it. I give it decent odds of that though; I've liked most of the 4E flavor changes and will probably have a very "implied setting" campaign world. Doodley-doo ... Thoughts?
Merganser86		#1	[-]
Posts: 458 (11/26/07 11:50:22) Spooky Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I am so, so, SO not impressed by anything having to do with dragons these days. -E
theBlackJaw		#2	[-]
Posts: 1726 (11/26/07 11:50:37) Cryptic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	They had Dragonborn as a special racial thing in Races of the Dragon for 3.5ed. I think I recall lots of Dragon Born pictures of various sizes, as if it was a racial template or substitution thing. Here: I don't know much about them, but a review of the book says this: The first chapter covers the dragonborn of Bahamut. These characters are not actually born with any dragon in them, so the name is a little misleading. Instead, Bahamut chooses them to fight bad dragons, covers them in scales and gives them draconic superpowers. The powers are cool draconic abilities - choose breath weapon, flight or super senses. It obviously would take a very open-minded setting to allow scaled dragon-people to buy drinks at the local watering hole, but if the DM and players are willing to play that way, there is something to be said for being covered in hard scales and shooting fire out your nose. I have to wonder if the new Dragonborn are anything like this at all, or just a dragon themed race? --BlackJaw "May the Orc spit in your Pie!" --BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-- GO d- s:- a- C++ UL->+ P+ L>+ E? W+++ N+ o? K? w+(-) O? M@ V? !PS PE@ Y+ PGP t-- 5-(+) X R++>+++$ tv+ b++$ DI++ D++ G e++ h+ !r y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Benoist Poire		#3	[-]
Posts: 2209 (11/26/07 11:54:10) Cuisinartist Iron Liege Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'm not liking the change. Iron League - Seven Spires - Praemal Tales - Paris by Night - Requiem for Rome - Bare Thoughts Ptolus Code 0A2S-052508-061708-Y-W-33/1000-M
Wiz of Ice		#4	[-]
Posts: 4935 (11/26/07 12:01:42) Moderator Iron Liege Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dragons are so iconic to the game that I kind of like it. My only complaints are that we already have mohj to play with, so I don't need it and that they look beefy... do we need half-orcs then? The Iron-League - for all your Iron Heroes needs Ptolus Code: 0A2S-050907-060811-N-W-128/1000-M-Gh
Confused Jackal Mage		#5	[-]
Posts: 5460 (11/26/07 12:03:55) Iron Liege Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Until I get more details, I can't comment. I'm generally okay with the idea of dragon people (I can't see anyone here hating the change, considering dracha, in addition to all the other furry races in AE ^_^). I would prefer seeing a new, exciting take on them, though. We'll see how it turns out. "Observer-dependent physics undermines the gods' decision 3000 years ago to ban cats from straddling the borders of the netherworld. We won't have it!" "I have reservations about reconciling a quantum mechanics thought experiment with egyptian mythology." "Djinn and Juice", Dresden Codak
the kwp		#6	[-]
Posts: 227 (11/26/07 12:08:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dragons are very iconic to the game. As a result, I'll keep an open mind about this race until I see the actual details. But my first impression is that they will not fit well at all as a major race in my own campaign world. However, they will fit just fine into my Ptolus campaign! (Then again, what would't?) I think the name "Dragonborn" is terribly uninspired, though. I want something with more evocative power. I think the name Dracha sounds pretty good... Too bad for WotC that someone came up with that idea, and their relation to Dragons, already!
Carthain		#7	[-]
Posts: 12769 (11/26/07 12:29:25) Keeper of the FAQ Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Benoist Poire wrote: I'm not liking the change. Exactly what change are you referring to Benoist? Carthain. "Eschew Obfuscation."
Razor Boy DM		#8	[-]
Posts: 30 (11/26/07 12:29:53) Minimum 1 pt, right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I liked the idea of the dragonborn racial mechanic in Races of the Dragon and the way their abilities scaled with HD - which is what every race in 4th ed. will have as I understand. What I don't like about the Dragonborn is: 1) the name's not very original, 2) the visual look (they might have very different abilities than a lizardman, but the look says otherwise), 3) there are more interesting races I'd rather see as base races in the PHD, and 4) that apparently gnomes are out. Change is not inherently bad, but goshdarnit - I like gnomes and I prefer them to dragonborn! P.S. Dragons are something to be killed by, kill in turn, deceive, steal from, or bargain with. Not play. But that's just my personal opinion based on a few dragon PCs that upset the balance in one of my games.
Benoist Poire		#9	[-]
Posts: 2211 (11/26/07 12:45:51) Cuisinartist Iron Liege Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Carthain wrote: Exactly what change are you referring to Benoist? Argh. Sorry. I did not develop so as to not sound like a broken record. I don't like the addition of Dragonborn and any other "monsterish" races (including Tiefling here) to the playable character races of the core. (before anyone tells me "Arcana Evolved", yes, sure. I know. For me, D&D just ain't the same game, though. I see AE as either a stand alone game or a supplement book to D&D. In either case, I'm fine with giants, dracha and such. Core D&D is a different beast altogether) Iron League - Seven Spires - Praemal Tales - Paris by Night - Requiem for Rome - Bare Thoughts Ptolus Code 0A2S-052508-061708-Y-W-33/1000-M
Kaladhan		#10	[-]
Posts: 1041 (11/26/07 12:51:30) French Bastard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I do not have much information on the Dragonborn. Not enough to have an opinion on the thing. But so far, I'm wondering why they didn't overhaul the draconian race and gave them a new flavor that could fit other settings. Draconian has breath weapons, wings and bite attack, right?
Benoist Poire		#11	[-]
Posts: 2213 (11/26/07 12:58:07) Cuisinartist Iron Liege Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Kaladhan wrote: Draconian has breath weapons, wings and bite attack, right? Depends on the type of Draconian, IIRC. Iron League - Seven Spires - Praemal Tales - Paris by Night - Requiem for Rome - Bare Thoughts Ptolus Code 0A2S-052508-061708-Y-W-33/1000-M
crowroadaw		#12	[-]
Posts: 1390 (11/26/07 13:11:53) Iron Hero Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	At first I was annoyed that the super secret new PC race for 4th edition was just another bunch of animal people (specifically, Dragon people. Because we don't have enough of those already). But then I realised it made perfect sense. This is 4e, after all. Say it out loud. "Four ee". Did you really think it's coincidence how much that sounds like "Furry"? Author of Iron Heroes and d20 Stuff Maintainer of the Iron Heroes Errata and FAQ Supporter of kiva.org
Xhyll		#13	[-]
Posts: 342 (11/26/07 13:37:10) Minimum 1 pt, right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dragonborn sound neat as a new race, and if done right I will have no issue with them. I do hope they don't strictly follow the Dragonborn of Bahamut from Races of the Dragon. I like them as a race, but they can be pretty limited roleplaying wise (Having Bahamut remove your race and possibly kill you because you anger him limits some options). If they are exactly like the RotD Dragonborn, then they are too narrow for the core book in my opinion. As for gnomes... I really have not ever been a gnome person, and as such I'm not the right person to discuss their removal from the PHB. They just never seemed to have a place in my games/campaign worlds. The Journal of Xanatos Valarian: The Grey Elf Warblade, Tactician, Fugitive, and possibly werewolf.
Wiz of Ice		#14	[-]
Posts: 4938 (11/26/07 13:41:13) Moderator Iron Liege Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I assume gnomes will show up in the book, Player's Handbook VII: This Time It's Personal!. The Iron-League - for all your Iron Heroes needs Ptolus Code: 0A2S-050907-060811-N-W-128/1000-M-Gh
theBlackJaw		#15	[-]
Posts: 1728 (11/26/07 15:10:35) Cryptic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Rumor is that Gnomes will be in the MM and will be playable via that listing... which gives them some stats and a few notes, but not nearly the full write up of PHB races, nor the assumed place in the world. I've also never really used Gnomes in my games outside the odd inventor backup among a group of dwarf NPCs. They never had a place in the setting. I think they were removed because they weren't all that popular. Question: Are half-orcs staying as a PHB race or are Dragonborn supposed to be the new large brute race? --BlackJaw "May the Orc spit in your Pie!" --BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-- GO d- s:- a- C++ UL->+ P+ L>+ E? W+++ N+ o? K? w+(-) O? M@ V? !PS PE@ Y+ PGP t-- 5-(+) X R++>+++$ tv+ b++$ DI++ D++ G e++ h+ !r y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Arcane Guyver		#16	[-]
Posts: 36 (11/26/07 15:13:54) Help me. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dragon people should be a fun addition to the game, especially if there are draconic-type extras you can pick up (flight, tail slap, breath weapon, etc). I don't even mind the name so much; dragon-anything = awed commoners. However, I kinda hope they pretty much redo the race from the ground up. 3.5 dragonborn is just a template that makes you tougher & clumsier. Make 'em true-breeding strongmen for 4e & I'll be a happy camper. It's not a game if you can't lose. The rules are there for a reason. www.fistfullofcomics.com
Wiz of Ice		#17	[-]
Posts: 4940 (11/26/07 15:15:26) Moderator Iron Liege Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	From here: "The races mentioned in detail are Humans, Dwaves, Eladrins, Elves, Halflings, Tieflings, and the "mystery race", Dragonborn" plus Half-Orc (since, I believe they said they were only eliminating one 3.5 core race). The Iron-League - for all your Iron Heroes needs Ptolus Code: 0A2S-050907-060811-N-W-128/1000-M-Gh
durendal		#18	[-]
Posts: 317 (11/26/07 15:30:02) Minimum 1 pt, right? Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'd totally play a dragonborn if i could get a tail slap. That would be the ultimate finisher to any failed diplomacy attempt. It would almost be as good as carrying a fish around with you for laying down the gauntlet. - D Homo Homini Lupus "Man is a wolf to Man" - Plautus
Wiz of Ice		#19	[-]
Posts: 4941 (11/26/07 15:40:55) Moderator Iron Liege Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'd totally play a dragonborn if i could get a tail slap. Ironically, there was a combat maneuver called something like 'dragontail slap' that got renamed due to excessive complaints from posters at WotC. The Iron-League - for all your Iron Heroes needs Ptolus Code: 0A2S-050907-060811-N-W-128/1000-M-Gh
Prince of Fire and Thunder	Random Response	#20	[-]
Posts: 2296 (11/26/07 16:00:21) Gabriel Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'd totally play a dragonborn if i could get a tail slap. That would be the ultimate finisher to any failed diplomacy attempt. It would almost be as good as carrying a fish around with you for laying down the gauntlet. Ooooo0000OOOoo! There's a part of me that totally wants to play this someday: A big-talker. A jerk. A slimeball of a guy who starts playing NPCs against each other. Sometimes his game is transparent. Sometimes he shines like the greatest conman ever to live. But he does it with a flourish of his scaly wrist & a broad sharptoothed smile. And when he gets caught, what's he do? Tailslaps them. Heck, sometimes he randomly tailslaps a merchant stall as he's walking by for no reason at all other than he can. I'll call him Jer'rik, The Snakeoil Salesman. He'd be the only guy in the world wearing a tan three-piece suit & broad-rimmed hat. With a peacock feather. Last Edited By: Prince of Fire and Thunder 11/26/07 16:02:43. Edited 1 times.

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