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[RQ]Bluff and Dev. Manipulator

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Elric Lornhood	[RQ]Bluff and Dev. Manipulator	Lead	[-]
Posts: 385 (05/06/09 08:00:52) Just showed up Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None I am confused about both of these. Bluff says both that it lasts up to one round OR simply makes the target believe you. When do you know which applies? And can anyone give me any examples of ways Devious Manipulator is ever even used? When do you typically make multiple bluff checks against one target so often, but for a complex check, to use this feat chain? Political Mastermind I think I get because it adds its own spin about just spending time with the targets, but not DM. If I sit at a bar and just lie and lie about my childhood and upbringing, can I make bluff checks to get tokens for the barwench the whole time until I reach my max? I doubt it, so how is this actually used? "...you will wander the underworld blind, deaf and dumb, and all the dead will know. This is Hector, the fool who thought he killed Achilles." -Troy
davetkwhite		#1	[-]
Posts: 68 (05/07/09 07:36:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The combat applications of bluff (feinting etc.) only last a round. When using it in an roleplaying situation the target believes you. As for Devious Manipulator, a character with this feat could spend several rounds accumulating tokens against a foe to improve his attack/defense, especially if he uses a skill challenge to make it a free action. It is more useful in a game that has more social interaction mixed in with the combat - you spend several hours interacting with the target, convincing him that you're a lousy fighter, and then dump all those tokens on him when you finally betray him. And yes, you could use it as in your bar wench example, though it's not likely to do you any good since those tokens can only be used on the bar wench.
crowroadaw		#2	[-]
Posts: 1465 (05/07/09 18:45:30) Iron Hero Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Exactly how long a bluff works is a GM call, and would vary from case to case. Direct combat applications always use the "one round or less" duration. Non-combat will usually use "they believe you", unless the GM feels "one round or less" makes more sense. Devious Manipulator: Is useful any time you speak with an opponent before fighting him. "Kill you? We're here to join you!" It's also useful any time you want to work up to a really big lie (i.e. one with large penalties on your check), because you can tell a series of small or inconsequential lies first, gaining tokens to spend on the big check when it comes. Author of Iron Heroes and d20 Stuff Maintainer of the Iron Heroes Errata and FAQ Supporter of kiva.org

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