Force weapon pricing http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/topic/17486/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:23:31 GMT Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:54:36 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/topic/17486/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180704/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180704 That's if it's doing Force damage. I don't think it should. It should do ordinary P/S/B damage, but as a Force effect, which allows it to damage ethereal/incorporeal. This isn't a spell effect, either, or else the various weapon enhancements that add P/S/B damage would bypass DR. Then in what significant way, would it different from Ghost Touch? Why do we need 2 qualities that have such a high degree of overlap, for the same very narrow special... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Tiburon Silverflame) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180704 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:54:34 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180703/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180703 In what way would they disagree? Ghost Touch's applicability is fairly narrow, therefore making for a good augment crystal by my argument.
You specifically said that the augment crystal approach wouldn't be good here.

If it's a magical effect being projected from the hilt, that does force damage, isn't it a Force effect? The most common force effects that we have, are immune to damage from physical objects...Wall of... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Confused Jackal Mage) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180703 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:59:05 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180660/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180660 feeds@yuku.com (Tiburon Silverflame) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180660 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:46:30 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180658/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180658
I think the best way rules-wise to get a force weapon would be to take either spiritual weapon or mage's sword and add it to an... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Dan C Davis) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180658 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:31:01 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180655/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180655 The creators of the augment crystals would disagree with you, as the Ghost Touch augment crystal is only 5k, moderately priced for an augment.
In what way would they disagree? Ghost Touch's applicability is fairly narrow, therefore making for a good augment crystal by my argument.

I agree that bypassing all DR is pretty significant, and would come up quite often, and I don't think a force weapon should do so.... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Tiburon Silverflame) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180655 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:28:39 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180623/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180623 The augment crystal approach does work when the effect has relatively narrow utility, but here, I think the utility is not that narrow...either the "hit incorporeal" or "bypass DR" will apply rather often.

The creators of the augment crystals would disagree with you, as the Ghost Touch augment crystal is only 5k, moderately priced for an augment.

I agree that bypassing all DR is pretty significant, and would come up quite... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Confused Jackal Mage) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180623 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:05:28 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180545/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180545
By comparison to making the weapon adamantine...the comparison doesn't work, for the same reason. Making one's weapon adamantine certainly has no disadvantages, but it rarely gives an advantage. The force weapon effects give an advantage any time the DR... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Tiburon Silverflame) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180545 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:41:00 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180522/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180522
Speaking of choices, I currently have no reason in 3.5 RAW for all my +5 weapons not to be adamantite. This is a competitive choice, I'd like to see a couple more.

For cosmetic effects you could even make this an ability so that you could... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (DerekDyer) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180522 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:44:34 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180512/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180512 If you want an actual weapon made of force, the bow of force works for ranged attacks. For a melee weapon, subtract the cost of a +3 mighty masterwork composite longbow (700 gp) & a +2 weapon (8,000 gp) for a base cost of 24,000 gp. Then there are a few ways of looking at it; it's 24,000 gp for the force special material, it's a 24,000 gp addition to a weapon, or it's a +4 weapon property (24,000 gp is between +3 @ 18,000 gp and +4 at 32,000 gp). Your DM... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Tiburon Silverflame) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180512 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:14:42 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180508/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180508 "Well, it's likely got some pretty nice hardness. May even be immune entirely to energy damage, requiring a similar force to break it."
"completely ignores energy damage."
I like immune to energy damage, what if: immune to energy damage, unless it does enough damage to destroy it outright? (and worded gooder)

I'd like to give it an "immune to adamantite" kicker for my own world building purposes. Kick... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (DerekDyer) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180508 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:12:19 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180501/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180501 why you want a force weapon.

If you're looking for a force weapon because it would look cool to have a weapon appear out of nowhere, then check the soulknife psionic class; they make their weapons from their minds.

If you're looking for a weapon so that you can hit incorporeal opponents, you could add the ghost touch property to the weapon or get a lesser truedeath augment crystal from Magic Item Compendium.
... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Dan C Davis) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180501 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:24:53 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180494/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180494
I agree with several of the others that this is best represented as a normal weapon with a special material. That invokes the smallest number of additional rules, and makes it simpler and cheaper to price.

So, what can a force material do? Well, it's likely got some pretty nice hardness. May even be immune entirely to energy damage, requiring a similar force to break it. I also think it's rather... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Confused Jackal Mage) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180494 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:09:00 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180491/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180491 feeds@yuku.com (Tiburon Silverflame) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180491 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:17:45 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180476/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180476
Adamantine ignores hardness... how does this compare? Glassteel?

Another question, Is it physical such that it is kept in a scabbard, or projected when desired from a handle? Modifying gloves of storing into a slotless tatoo, you could add 1.5x(GoS)... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (DerekDyer) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180476 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:15:24 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180474/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180474 feeds@yuku.com (DerekDyer) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180474 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:07:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180470/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180470
If you want the weapon to bypass DR, then the price would easily jump to +4 or +5. My suggestion (treating it as regular weapon damage) would keep the price at a lower level. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Cthon) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180470 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:00:18 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180469/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180469 IMO a stable/permanent sheet of force would cause weapon damage, not force damage. Force damage, like in spells, is different.

Hmm. How would magic missile deal different damage than an arrow made of pure force? I understand your reasoning that it shouldn't be a different form of damage, since it shouldn't damage any differently than a physical object, but then how do you explain spells that create objects made of force dealing "force"... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Finniss) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180469 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:21:15 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180463/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180463 feeds@yuku.com (DerekDyer) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180463 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:03:37 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180456/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180456 feeds@yuku.com (davetkwhite) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180456 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:33:00 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/reply/180452/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html#reply-180452 feeds@yuku.com (Cthon) http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/sreply/180452 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:50:27 GMT <![CDATA[ Force weapon pricing ]]> http://okayyourturn.yuku.com/topic/17486/t/Force-weapon-pricing.html
I would think having a weapon made of force energy would mean it would deal force damage instead of normal damage. This should allow it to act on incorporeal and ethereal creatures and bypass damage reduction. I cannot think of any other side effects. Can you?
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