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feeds@yuku.com (Eldric IV) — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:23:51 GMT

If his post were still on the stack, I would have said Dissipate.

As it has resolved, why take chances? Cast Decree of Annihilation or, if it is an enchantment, Apocalypse.

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feeds@yuku.com (Confused Jackal Mage) — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:18:22 GMT

Pfft. It's clearly already resolved. As well, Dur doesn't strike me as a Green or Black player.

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feeds@yuku.com (Carthain) — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:12:50 GMT

Bah. You've just been out of it too long. Time Stop would remove it from the game if it was still on the stack. ^_^

And you can regenerate through a disk.

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feeds@yuku.com (Confused Jackal Mage) — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:09:28 GMT

Time Twister's a possibility, but it implies that Dur might be able to say it again - it just resets us. Nevinyrral it is.

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feeds@yuku.com (DerekDyer) — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:22:43 GMT

Timetwister?

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feeds@yuku.com (Carthain) — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:29:06 GMT

Confused Jackal Mage wrote:
If only I'd kept up with my MtG knowledge enough to know off the top of my head what card it would be appropriate to quote if I wanted to imply removing Dur's post from time...

Time Stop?

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feeds@yuku.com (arnoldnido) — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:56:38 GMT

HIJACK TO CUBA!!!!

Ahhh,,,we occasionally still play magic. If it is a bile pile, then I will stay for a while in that bile pile.

It's a fun game if you play with people who don't take it too seriously. Sort of like the difference between people playing penny poker and really just getting together and drinking versus people playing for more money.

Heck, one time we took pictures at a con and someone pointed out they could tell who was playing RPGs versus...

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feeds@yuku.com (Tiburon Silverflame) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:24:49 GMT

They couldn't be creative for a minute in MtG. I'm so glad I never invested in that pile of bile.

You missed a golden opportunity, then... Moxes and Lotuses and Timetwisters for sale oh my!

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feeds@yuku.com (Ampherion) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:27:23 GMT

nevinyrral's disk.

They couldn't be creative for a minute in MtG. I'm so glad I never invested in that pile of bile.

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feeds@yuku.com (Confused Jackal Mage) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:35:53 GMT

If only I'd kept up with my MtG knowledge enough to know off the top of my head what card it would be appropriate to quote if I wanted to imply removing Dur's post from time...

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feeds@yuku.com (durendal) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:56:47 GMT

You know, while bizarre, I can totally picture WotC reading arnoldnido's quote saying "Guys, we do print MtG... we could do this. Just think of the money!"

Hence, vancian casting is out the window, MtG tie in is Core.

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feeds@yuku.com (arnoldnido) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:19:24 GMT

Hey, with this favored terrain stuff, will it be easier for me, as a human character, to tap white mana then?

Newt, we do know it's all just assumptions, well, not everything because we are basing those assumptions off of fact. In fact, I would call it more speculation then assumptions, but that would mean I know exactly what these words mean, which may or may not be the case.

Speculation is FUN!!!!!!

Eric, who isn't even buying 4e (at least until they...

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feeds@yuku.com (Confused Jackal Mage) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:01:02 GMT

And again, you have to deal with coupling. You *can* get quite a lot of good abilities to distribute among the races when you *know* what classes you're dealing with and what their mechanics are. You just hook into the mechanics that the classes use.

That means, though, that the races *won't* interface with new classes with new mechanics, at least not without creating entirely new abilities for every race. Anytime you create a class you have to revise all the existing races,...

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feeds@yuku.com (Carthain) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:14:24 GMT

Sure GW can add in new races & classes -- but how often do they do that? And how often does D&D do that? They're completely separate beasts and comparing them and saying "one of them can do so why can't the other?" really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The scope involved in the two systems is completely different.

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feeds@yuku.com (Zaraky) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:37:13 GMT

What about the idea that races could give one kind of bonus, while classes give others.

For example, classes rarely give minor spells that scale with level.

Races on the other hand give out minor spells that don't scale with level very well.

If you changed they type of spell you gave out to races, or helped it scale with level you have a whole host of things you can do to make races different yet help all the classes similarly.

Guild Wars isn't...

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feeds@yuku.com (Confused Jackal Mage) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:13:18 GMT

Nod to Neut and Carthain. One could certainly, in a closed system like GW, design everything to fit together nicely. You also have slightly more options to work with on a computer, as you can implement cool-but-fiddly things without having to worry about whether it's too much complexity for the player to deal with.

Easier is to decouple things and direct each race in a vague direction, so that any classes which arise as roughly similar will also work. This requires broader...

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feeds@yuku.com (Carthain) — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:45:56 GMT

Neutronium Dragon wrote:
If they help in different ways, yes. The trouble with that is that it's easy to do for only two or three races, but when you're dealing with seven there are only so many broadly applicable traits to go around.

That would be good if they were only dealing with 7. But as we know, D&D grows, and they add in new races (All the various subraces in FR; Warforged, Changelings,...

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feeds@yuku.com (Neutronium Dragon) — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:10:48 GMT

If they help in different ways, yes. The trouble with that is that it's easy to do for only two or three races, but when you're dealing with seven there are only so many broadly applicable traits to go around.

One point which was mentioned on the WotC forums is that it seems that ability modifiers (when present) now lean towards giving a total bonus rather than evening out or ending up in the negatives. That is, you get +2 to one stat and that's it, or +2 to two...

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feeds@yuku.com (Zaraky) — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:02:29 GMT

Guild Wars has convinced me that it's not entirely true that somethings will synergize well with only half the classes.

Instead of making all the races identical they could instead all give bonuses that help every class equally.

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feeds@yuku.com (Confused Jackal Mage) — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:08:17 GMT

Well, that's slightly impossible unless you make races *purely* cosmetic. Simply by virtue of having a bonus to an important stat, some races will be better at being certain classes than others.

The way it seems that it is going to work is that each race will have abilities that synergize well with a particular class. This is quite a different thing from 3e where the Favored Class mechanic actually punished you for taking levels outside your racial specialty (at least, if you...

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feeds@yuku.com (Benoist Poire) — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:51:14 GMT

From ENWorld:

Morrus said:

[I feel a bit like Aint-it-Cool-News posting the following scoop! I can't vouch for or against its accuracy, but it certainly has a ring of authenticity to it. I'm posting it here in its entirety...